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03/18/2011 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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*+ HB 139 VETERINARIAN LICENSING QUALIFICATIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 11 COLONOSCOPY: PUB. EMPLOYEE RETIREES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 122 NATUROPATHS TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
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+= HB 155 PUBLIC CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 155(L&C) Out of Committee
          HB 139-VETERINARIAN LICENSING QUALIFICATIONS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE  BILL  NO. 139,  "An  Act  relating to  qualifications  for                                                               
licensure as a veterinarian."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON, Alaska State Legislature,  stated goal                                                               
of the  bill is to  increase the  number of veterinarians  in the                                                               
state.    Currently,  the Board  of  Veterinary  Examiners  (BVE)                                                               
allows  only one  certification  program to  be  used to  certify                                                               
veterinary   graduates   who    have   graduated   from   foreign                                                               
certification  programs.    The   certification  program  is  the                                                               
Educational Commission for  Foreign Veterinary Graduates (ECFVG).                                                               
At the time that the statutory  board was initiated the ECFVG was                                                               
the only credentials certification  program available.  This bill                                                               
would allow  the board to  decide which certification  program to                                                               
use.   As  new programs  are developed  the veterinarians  should                                                               
determine  which  programs are  appropriate.    In 2003,  another                                                               
certification  program for  foreign  veterinarians was  developed                                                               
which  she  identified  as  the Program  for  the  Assessment  of                                                               
Veterinary Education Equivalence (PAVE).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON  asked whether  the  Board  of Veterinary  Examiners                                                               
(BVE) had  requested the bill since  this seems to be  a function                                                               
of the board.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   P.  WILSON   responded  that   two  veterinarian                                                               
graduates who cannot get licensed  in Alaska requested assistance                                                               
since  it is  costly, approximately  $6,000, to  obtain licensure                                                               
using the current  certification program.  She  explained that 32                                                               
states and territories use this  approach.  This bill would allow                                                               
the board the option.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:47:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL  WISENKAMP,  Intern,  Representative  P.  Wilson,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,  reiterated that  this  bill  would give  the                                                               
Board of Veterinary Examiners (BVE)  the latitude to choose which                                                               
certification program  for veterinarians who have  graduated from                                                               
foreign  universities.   He  highlighted that  this  bill is  not                                                               
about the  certification programs  themselves.   The idea  for HB
139 arose with e-mail from  a constituent who complained that his                                                               
wife  could  not  practice veterinary  medicine  in  Alaska  even                                                               
though she  was licensed in  three other states.   His wife  is a                                                               
graduate  of  a  foreign  university.   She  graduated  from  St.                                                               
George's University  in Granada  and completed her  clinical year                                                               
in  veterinary medicine  at  the University  of  Minnesota.   She                                                               
completed  the Program  of Assessment  of Veterinarian  Education                                                               
Equivalence  (PAVE)  in  order   to  ensure  she  could  practice                                                               
veterinary medicine in the U.S.   He reported that PAVE is one of                                                               
two  certification  programs  offered  in the  U.S.  to  evaluate                                                               
foreign  veterinarian  programs.     Currently,  the  constituent                                                               
cannot practice  in Alaska since  Alaska exclusively  accepts the                                                               
Educational Commission for  Foreign Veterinary Graduates (ECFVG).                                                               
The  constituent   is  currently   licensed  in   California  and                                                               
Washington to practice veterinary medicine, he said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WISENKAMP  detailed that the  constituent had  researched the                                                               
requirements  to complete  the  ECFVG program  and discovered  it                                                               
would require two round trips to  one of the testing sites in the                                                               
Lower 48  plus $6,000 in  fees.  She asked  Representative Wilson                                                               
to introduce  a bill that  would allow  the state to  accept both                                                               
programs.   In 2000, PAVE  began offering services and  32 states                                                               
currently accept  it as a  means for  foreign students to  have a                                                               
path  for  licensure.   He  referred  to a  detailed  description                                                               
titled,  "American Association  of Veterinary  State Boards  PAVE                                                               
Standards and Policies"  in members' packets.   He explained that                                                               
other  states have  evaluated the  two  programs and  deem it  as                                                               
equivalent  to the  ECFVG, he  said.   Washington  and Idaho  are                                                               
among  the 32  states that  accept PAVE.   Since  2006, Idaho  or                                                               
Washington  has   not  experienced  any  issues   with  any  PAVE                                                               
candidates.  This  bill, HB 139, would empower the  BVE to select                                                               
either or both  certification programs.  The BVE  is comprised of                                                               
four licensed  veterinarians and  one public member.  He referred                                                               
to  the   mission  statement,  which  read,   "The  Board  adopts                                                               
regulations to carry out laws  governing veterinarian practice in                                                               
Alaska.     It   makes  final   licensing  decisions   and  takes                                                               
disciplinary actions against people  who violate licensing laws."                                                               
Currently,  the  statute  precludes   the  board  from  making  a                                                               
licensing decision  by directing foreign university  graduates to                                                               
a  specific program.    He concluded  if the  BVE  would like  to                                                               
accept PAVE in  addition to the ECFVG that it  should be have the                                                               
ability to do so.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:52:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER referred  to language on page 2,  line 2 of                                                               
HB 139  that specifies  "shall."  He  asked whether  the language                                                               
should be softened.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON answered that the  specific language he                                                               
referred to is current statute.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MYRA WILSON, Veterinarian, stated she  is a Past President of the                                                               
Alaska State  Veterinary Medical Association (ASVMA).   The ASVMA                                                               
represents 150  licensed veterinarians in Alaska  statewide.  The                                                               
ASVMA is opposed  to the bill since  it does not believe  it is a                                                               
good bill for citizens in Alaska.   She expressed concern that it                                                               
would bring ambiguity to turn  over licensing standards to a five                                                               
member board appointed by the governor  on a rotating basis.  The                                                               
Educational Commission  for Foreign Veterinary  Graduates (ECFVG)                                                               
is  recognized  by   50  states  and  Canada  and   is  the  only                                                               
certification program with federal  approval.  She emphasized the                                                               
importance   of  having   all  50   states  recognize   the  same                                                               
requirements for consistency.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. WILSON also expressed concern  that the public would not know                                                               
their veterinarian's qualifications.   Citizens expect competency                                                               
and  not  ambiguity  in  the  certification  program,  she  said.                                                               
Additionally,  it may  cause some  ambiguity for  business owners                                                               
hiring  veterinarians.    She  commended  the  current  level  of                                                               
excellence in veterinary medicine in Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  asked whether she believes  the problem is                                                               
the PAVE  certification or  if the issue  surrounds the  Board of                                                               
Veterinary Examiners' (BVE) ability  to make and change standards                                                               
or both.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  WILSON  related   that  the  bill  does   not  specify  PAVE                                                               
certification  but  would allow  the  BVE's  choice in  selecting                                                               
accreditation programs.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES asked  whether the ASVMA has  a position on                                                               
the PAVE accreditation program.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  WILSON  answered that  the  group  has  not taken  a  formal                                                               
position so  ASVMA would  have to  meet as group  and vote.   She                                                               
offered to report back to the committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether she represents the ASVMA.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. WILSON answered yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  asked  whether  the BVE  is  an  existing                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. WILSON  answered the BVE  is an existing board  consisting of                                                               
four veterinarians and one lay person, with rotating terms.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:58:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  said he  assumed  she  had confidence  in                                                               
other   licensed   veterinarians   to   assess   credentials   of                                                               
candidates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  WILSON suggested  that question  is better  answered by  the                                                               
BVE's members.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:58:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER related a scenario  in which Dr. Wilson was                                                               
appointed  to the  BVE.   He asked  whether she  would trust  the                                                               
other  board  members  to determine  capabilities  of  veterinary                                                               
candidates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON reported the BVE's current chair will testify.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:59:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. WILSON stated that she  preferred not to get into comparisons                                                               
between  PAVE  and   ECFVG,  but  pointed  out   that  the  ECFVG                                                               
certification  process  requires   a  clinical  competency  test.                                                               
However, not all PAVE graduates are required to do so.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked how  many veterinarians are licensed                                                               
und ECFVG.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR.  WILSON answered  that is  currently  the only  certification                                                               
program in statute  so she thought all  veterinarians licensed in                                                               
Alaska were  ECFVG certified.   She  suggested the  Department of                                                               
Commerce,   Community  &   Economic   Development,  Division   of                                                               
Corporations, Business,  and Professional Licensing  could answer                                                               
that question.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  clarified that  he was seeking  the total                                                               
number  of   foreign  accreditation  licensed   veterinarians  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. WILSON said she did not know.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON HABENGER,  Director, Division of Corporations,  Business, and                                                               
Professional  Licensing,  Department  of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                               
Economic Development (DCCED),  stated he did not  have the number                                                               
either,  but  he  offered  to  provide  the  information  to  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  HUNT, Veterinarian,  stated that  the Board  of Veterinary                                                               
Examiners  (BVE) does  not currently  accept PAVE,  which is  the                                                               
program  for  assessment  of  veterinary  education  equivalence.                                                               
However, the BVE has researched  PAVE and is supportive to accept                                                               
it.   In 2009, the PAVE  Committee presented to the  board at its                                                               
meeting in Fairbanks.   He indicated he has been  to the National                                                               
Board of  Veterinary Examiner's meeting  for the past  five years                                                               
and has learned about the PAVE  program requirements.  The BVE is                                                               
on  record  that it  is  supportive  of  accepting PAVE  and  has                                                               
determined the PAVE  program is equal to standards  of the ECFGV,                                                               
which is the  test now being used for foreign  graduates given by                                                               
the   American   Veterinary   Medical  Association   (AVMA)   for                                                               
veterinary candidates.   This bill would allow the  BVE to decide                                                               
which programs to  accept for veterinary licensure  in Alaska and                                                               
to accept the PAVE program.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:02:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for clarification on  the number of                                                               
veterinarians  practicing in  Alaska who  graduated from  foreign                                                               
schools and were certified under the ECFVG.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HUNT answered  probably less  than  ten.   He suggested  the                                                               
department would have the figures.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER asked whether  he could predict the number                                                               
of foreign veterinary candidates who  are likely to see licensure                                                               
using the PAVE program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  HUNT  answered that  he  is  only  aware of  one  veterinary                                                               
candidate  who is  seeing licensure  via  the PAVE  program.   He                                                               
identified  the candidate  as a  woman from  Homer.   He did  not                                                               
believe a  rush of candidates would  try to get into  the program                                                               
using the  PAVE standard.   He offered  his belief that  the PAVE                                                               
program  is a  solid program  and in  the future  it could  be an                                                               
important  program.   He predicted  that  in the  future all  the                                                               
states would accept  the PAVE program.  He also  offered his view                                                               
that the PAVE program  is just as good as the  ECFVG program.  He                                                               
remarked that  he has been  pretty well educated on  the elements                                                               
of  the PAVE  program by  attending  the national  meetings.   He                                                               
related that  the bill is structured  to allow the BVE  to decide                                                               
which  program   to  accept.     He  did  not  think   any  other                                                               
accreditation programs would surface for veterinary candidates.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  related his understanding that  this bill                                                               
would  allow  the  BVE  to  choose  which  of  the  accreditation                                                               
programs to  use.  He asked  whether the BVE board  would use one                                                               
or the other or both programs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. HUNT  answered the  BVE would  use both  programs.   The PAVE                                                               
process  would just  represent a  different  path for  veterinary                                                               
candidates to gain licensure.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  for  clarification  on the  reason                                                               
that PAVE began in 2000.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. HUNT answered that the  ECFVG only offers examinations once a                                                               
year and it is difficult for people  to take the exams all at one                                                               
time.   The PAVE examination  is offered twice  a year and  has a                                                               
practical  exam that  people can  take to  familiarize themselves                                                               
with the  test.  He  considered the  frequency of testing  as the                                                               
primary reason candidates are interested in PAVE.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  remarked that  the military  license bill                                                               
might allow for licensure via a courtesy license.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:05:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES  asked whether the  BVE has a  position. on                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. HUNT  answered he thought that  the BVE would want  this bill                                                               
to pass.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES asked whether  he could address concerns in                                                               
terms of the ambiguity.   She further asked whether simply adding                                                               
PAVE to the list of accredited programs would suffice.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. HUNT  responded that he  did not  have any problem  with that                                                               
approach but  the current  bill offers  the board  flexibility in                                                               
the event another  program would be offered.  He  said either way                                                               
would work.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JIM  DELKER, Veterinarian,  President, Alaska  Veterinary Medical                                                               
Association  (AVMA), the  Alaska  Veterinary Medical  Association                                                               
(ASVMA) represents  the majority of the  practicing veterinarians                                                               
in Alaska.   The  AVMA formally adopted  a resolution  against HB
139.   The  main  reason  for opposition  is  that presently  the                                                               
licensing  standards  and  requirements  are  clearly  stated  in                                                               
statute  in the  Veterinary Practices  Act.   The  AVMA does  not                                                               
think  the  bill  should  be   changed  to  allow  a  five-member                                                               
revolving board  since it could  subject the  board to bias.   He                                                               
agreed with Dr. Hunt that the  PAVE and ECFVG programs are likely                                                               
the only programs that will be  offered.  He does not believe the                                                               
board  should have  the power  to select  certification programs.                                                               
He related  a scenario in  which in  which three of  five members                                                               
decided that a  veterinary school in India not  accredited by the                                                               
AVMA  was  sufficient that  the  BVE  could accept  students  for                                                               
licensure.   He expressed concern that  accepting other standards                                                               
could   reduce  the   overall  standards   of  the   veterinarian                                                               
profession  in Alaska.   He  offered his  belief that  HB 139  as                                                               
written is not a good bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:09:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. DELKER recalled  the bill's purpose would be  to increase the                                                               
number of veterinarians  and he did not think  this would happen,                                                               
especially  in   rural  Alaska.     He  suggested   the  National                                                               
Veterinary  Medical Service  Act  as another  option to  increase                                                               
rural veterinarians.   He  reported the  NVMSA has  allotted five                                                               
spots  for  rural  veterinarians.   Currently,  20  states  offer                                                               
veterinarian  student  repayment  plans  for  veterinarians  that                                                               
choose to serve  in rural communities, which he  thought would be                                                               
more effective. way to increase  veterinarian services in Alaska.                                                               
He reiterated that he does not  think HB 139 will accomplish this                                                               
goal.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. DELKER stated that AVMA has  not formally taken a position so                                                               
his  comments  on  PAVE  are  his  own.    He  related  that  two                                                               
veterinary schools in  the Caribbean gained some  benefits by not                                                               
requiring  its students  to take  a clinical  competency exam  as                                                               
other foreign  veterinary graduates  are required  to take.   The                                                               
school  arranged  to have  students  take  a  fourth year  in  an                                                               
accredited  school in  the U.S.   Thus,  the veterinary  students                                                               
would attend  three years  at the  non-accredited school  and one                                                               
year  at  the  accredited  school and  would  skip  the  clinical                                                               
competency test.   The general consensus by the AVMA  was that it                                                               
was not  fair or equitable  approach to take since  these foreign                                                               
graduates do  not take the  test all the other  foreign graduates                                                               
must take  which is why the  PAVE program is not  approved by all                                                               
states.   He acknowledged that PAVE  is a very good  program, but                                                               
it is  not equitable in  all situations.   He offered  his belief                                                               
that it would  not be fair to allow two  schools in the Caribbean                                                               
to  circumvent  the standards  by  not  requiring the  competency                                                               
examination.   He acknowledged that  one of the two  schools just                                                               
gained AVMA accreditation so this may become a moot point.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:12:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLMES asked how the  AVMA would respond if HB 139                                                               
specifically listed  the PAVE program  and did not offer  the BVE                                                               
any additional discretion.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. DELKER  acknowledged that  it would  more palatable,  but not                                                               
necessarily  fully  supported  since  there  is  still  a  little                                                               
discrepancy in the PAVE program.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. DELKER  suggested that  the AMVA  may wish  to adopt  a Model                                                               
Practice Act in the next year or  so.  He suggested that the AMVA                                                               
could review the  PAVE program at the time  it considers adopting                                                               
current standards of veterinary medicine.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:15:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked for  the current supply  and demand                                                               
for veterinarians in  Alaska.  He further inquired  as to whether                                                               
there is a shortage of veterinarians in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  DELKER  responded  that  it can  be  somewhat  difficult  in                                                               
smaller  communities  to attract  or  retain  veterinarians.   He                                                               
commented he  has practiced in  Alaska since 2003 and  has always                                                               
been able to fill positions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  stated that  he read letters  and e-mails                                                               
indicated  adopting the  PAVE program  would diminish  standards.                                                               
He  recalled that  Dr.  Delker  reported the  program  as a  good                                                               
program.   He inquired as  to whether  HB 139 would  diminish the                                                               
standards.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DR. DELKER answered  that he would not say  it specifically would                                                               
diminish  the  standards but  it  potentially  could if  programs                                                               
other than the PAVE or ECFVG accreditation programs were used.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:16:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JON  BASLER,   Member,  Alaska  Veterinary   Medical  Association                                                               
(AVMA),  stated that  he serves  as  the Alaska  delegate to  the                                                               
American  Veterinary Medical  Association  (AVMA).   He spoke  in                                                               
opposition to  the bill.  He  has practiced in Alaska  since 1985                                                               
and also  spent three years  in rural  Alaska in the  North Slope                                                               
Borough.   He  concurred with  earlier testimony  that this  bill                                                               
would not bring a significant  number of practitioners to Alaska.                                                               
He expressed  concern with HB 139  due to its ambiguity  since it                                                               
leaves it  wide open  for the BVE  to accept  other accreditation                                                               
processes.    He agreed  with  earlier  testimony that  PAVE  may                                                               
become a moot point if the  final school in the Caribbean becomes                                                               
accredited.   He reiterated that  his personal opposition  to the                                                               
bill is because  the bill would create ambiguity  and leaves wide                                                               
open  the standards  for veterinarian  applicants as  to what  is                                                               
acceptable.    He related  substantial  work  has been  performed                                                               
nationally to try to standardize  and provide specific guidelines                                                               
for veterinarians.   He did  not see this  as a barrier  to entry                                                               
but  as a  concern about  the level  of competency  of veterinary                                                               
candidates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:19:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  THOMPSON   recalled  that  the  PAVE   and  ECFVG                                                               
programs  are  acceptable.    He inquired  as  to  whether  other                                                               
programs exist.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR. BASLER answered  that currently the only two  programs in the                                                               
U.S. are  the ECFVG and the  PAVE process, which he  believed was                                                               
specifically   designed  for   Caribbean  schools   without  full                                                               
accreditation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:20:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. BASLER related that other  countries have veterinary programs                                                               
and it  really depends on  the country as  to the quality  of the                                                               
program.    He  offered  his belief  that  the  European  Union's                                                               
programs  are  likely as  extensive  as  the U.S.  programs,  but                                                               
programs  in  South  America,  Africa,  or  India  would  not  be                                                               
anything like the American programs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:21:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER  commented that  after hearing each  of the                                                               
organizations testifying against the  bill that people just don't                                                               
seem to trust the BVE.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR. BASLER  responded no, that he  did not think so.   He pointed                                                               
out that  the people serving on  the BVE are his  colleagues.  He                                                               
emphasized that bills  should be clear and not  ambiguous and not                                                               
leave anything open  ended.  He said he  applauded his colleagues                                                               
for  taking  the time  out  of  their  personal lives  for  their                                                               
willingness to serve.   He characterized their  service as adding                                                               
to the professionalism of their veterinarian service.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  stated  he   would  defer  to  the  BVE's                                                               
judgment and  other testifiers.  He  pointed out that he  did not                                                               
see that the bill would "open  the door" other than to ask fellow                                                               
veterinarians  to  assess   certification  programs  for  foreign                                                               
candidates that do not fall under the ECFVG program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. BASLER  responded that  the national  Model Practice  Act has                                                               
been making  a big push  to standardize Veterinary  Practice Acts                                                               
across the country in an effort  to create more uniform laws.  He                                                               
thought  this bill  would take  Alaska  away from  the model  act                                                               
rather than to move towards it.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAM  TUOMI, Veterinarian,  stated that  she previously  served on                                                               
the BVE and as a veterinarian  that has practiced in Alaska since                                                               
the 1970s.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON interjected that Dr. Tuomi is his veterinarian.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:24:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. TUOMI  stated that she served  on the board at  the time when                                                               
some of the initial statutes  were adopted and when veterinarians                                                               
wrote  and   administered  the  exam.     She   acknowledged  the                                                               
difficulty  in  taking  average practitioners  appointed  by  the                                                               
governor  to  design and  oversee  the  licensing process.    She                                                               
indicated  the  board  took its  responsibilities  seriously  and                                                               
welcomed the national examining process.   This allowed the board                                                               
to  use  the  expertise  of national  academics  to  verify  that                                                               
veterinary applicants  were meeting standards and  were qualified                                                               
to practice nationwide.  She  expressed concern with HB 139 since                                                               
it  potentially  "throws  a  door open."    She  reinforced  that                                                               
veterinarians  trust  their  board members  and  acknowledge  the                                                               
difficult  job  of serving  as  a  board  member.   However,  the                                                               
practices act  should not be  rewritten to serve  one individual.                                                               
She related  that valid routes  for licensure exist  that protect                                                               
the public  health and  welfare of animals.   The  current system                                                               
works well.  She suggested she  would be happier if the BVE would                                                               
like to  specifically add the PAVE  program as an option  than to                                                               
have a wide open program.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  inquired as  to whether this  bill would  expand the                                                               
number of veterinarians working in rural Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  TUOMI  answered  no.    She  offered  her  belief  that  the                                                               
potential for harm is greater than any potential benefits.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER related  his understanding  that she  did                                                               
not like  the wide open language  to allow the BVE  to select its                                                               
own accreditation  and would feel  more comfortable  although not                                                               
entirely comfortable if the bill specified the PAVE program.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  TUOMI   answered  yes,  which   is  strictly   her  personal                                                               
perspective.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:27:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE  VERSTEEG,  Veterinarian, stated  she  is  also a  past                                                               
President of the  AVMA.  She stated that she  opposes the bill as                                                               
written.   She has  worked in  rural Alaska  and has  worked with                                                               
nonprofits  to   try  to  increase   the  number   of  practicing                                                               
veterinarians in Alaska.  She did  not think HB 139 would attract                                                               
veterinarians  to practice  in  rural Alaska.    She offered  her                                                               
belief that it would be  better to have the certification program                                                               
in statute  rather than have a  "gray zone" that would  allow for                                                               
changes in the program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:28:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JONATHAN MUSMAN thanked Representative  Wilson for sponsoring the                                                               
bill.   He originally contacted the  BVE in 2009 with  respect to                                                               
PAVE and  was referred to the  legislature.  He related  that the                                                               
BVE  originally  opposed  changing  the practice  act  due  to  a                                                               
potential merger of  PAVE and ECFVG, but any  potential merger is                                                               
years away  according to  his sources  at PAVE.   He  listened to                                                               
testimony today relating that the  bill would not benefit Alaska.                                                               
He said  that two Alaskans would  benefit if his wife  could work                                                               
in the state.   She would like  to work in the state  and for the                                                               
past year  and a half she  has flown to Oregon  and Washington to                                                               
work.  Last year she spent  nearly three weeks of every month for                                                               
six months  working in Washington to  keep her skills sharp.   He                                                               
indicated  that the  cost  of  taking the  ECFVG.   Although  the                                                               
actual test  costs are  $5,000, the  typical process  time ranges                                                               
from 12 to  24 months and requires two trips  to testing centers.                                                               
Her classmates  have made more  than three trips to  complete the                                                               
testing process.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN  EWING, Executive  Director,  Idaho  Board of  Veterinarian                                                               
Medicine, stated that  the Idaho board changed its  rules in 2007                                                               
to accept  PAVE.   The Idaho  has not had  any problems  with the                                                               
PAVE  program.   She  explained  that  she  has found  her  board                                                               
members to be  extremely qualified to evaluate  a testing program                                                               
to  determine   whether  a  foreign   graduate  meets   the  same                                                               
competency standards.   She offered her belief  that public could                                                               
have great faith in their  veterinary board members.  She related                                                               
that  one of  her board  members served  on the  PAVE development                                                               
committee  and he  found  the  program to  be  outstanding.   She                                                               
reported  that what  the Idaho  board  has found  an increase  of                                                               
about five percent of licensees in  the past four years since the                                                               
board  has  accepted  PAVE.   Additionally,  a  majority  of  the                                                               
foreign  graduates grew  up in  the U.S.  but attended  the Idaho                                                               
Board received  a letter from  a student in a  foreign university                                                               
in a  PAVE program who  grew up in  Idaho and wanted  to practice                                                               
Veterinary  medicine in  Idaho upon  graduation.   She  indicated                                                               
that the Idaho  Board researched the matter and found  PAVE to be                                                               
an exceptional  program, at  least as good  as the  AVMA's ECFVG.                                                               
She concluded  that the public  can trust their board  members to                                                               
be qualified to make these decisions.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  asked whether she was  speaking on behalf                                                               
of the board.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. EWING  answered that she is  speaking on behalf of  the board                                                               
to describe Idaho's experience.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER asked whether  the Idaho's board is similar                                                               
to Alaska's  board, which is  a five  member board, four  of whom                                                               
are  veterinarians  and  one  public   member  appointed  by  the                                                               
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EWING  answered  that  the  Idaho  Board  consists  of  five                                                               
licensed  veterinarians and  one public  member.   She reiterated                                                               
that  one former  Idaho  Board  member also  served  on the  PAVE                                                               
committee.  The  current public member also serves  as the public                                                               
member  on the  National  Board of  Veterinary Medical  Examiners                                                               
(NBVME).   The  NBVME also  created the  qualifying exam  that is                                                               
part  of the  PAVE  program and  the  Veterinary Clinical  Skills                                                               
Assessment Test that is part  of the PAVE completion pathway, she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER related  his understanding  that once  the                                                               
Idaho  Board  could accept  the  PAVE  process, the  Idaho  board                                                               
created additional testing.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  EWING  explained  that in  Idaho,  the  authorizing  statute                                                               
specifically  mentioned students  of non-accredited  universities                                                               
and mentioned the  ECFVG program.  Additionally,  the Idaho board                                                               
allowed any  equivalency program  established for the  purpose of                                                               
evaluating  an individual's  educational  knowledge and  clinical                                                               
skills as it  related to the practice of  Veterinary medicine and                                                               
as approved  an outlined by  the rules of  the board.   Thus, the                                                               
Idaho Board did  not have to change its statute  and just added a                                                               
rule that incorporated the PAVE  program by reference.  She added                                                               
that the ECFVG program was also incorporated by reference.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:38:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MILLER  related his  understanding that  the Idaho                                                               
Board  has  not  seen  any  diminished  in  capabilities  of  the                                                               
veterinary licensees.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. EWING  answered that in  the four  years the Idaho  Board has                                                               
accepted foreign  graduates who participated in  the PAVE program                                                               
that the Idaho Board has  not received a single complaint against                                                               
any  of  the veterinarians  nor  has  it taken  any  disciplinary                                                               
action against them.  However,  it has taken disciplinary actions                                                               
against  ECFVG graduates.    She  characterized the  disciplinary                                                               
process as  largely based  on individual  person since  she finds                                                               
both the  PAVE and the  ECFVG programs are excellent  programs to                                                               
determine   educational  equivalency   for   graduates  of   non-                                                               
accredited universities.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARYANN  HOLLICK,  Veterinarian,  stated  that  she  has  been  a                                                               
veterinarian  in Alaska  for over  20  years.   She testified  in                                                               
opposition to  HB 139.  She  stated that in addition  to clinical                                                               
practice, she  previously owned and  operated a  large Veterinary                                                               
Hospital in  Anchorage.   She said,  "I object to  HB 139.   This                                                               
bill  would  delete  the  requirement  for  the  nationally  AVMA                                                               
testing standard.   In my opinion Alaskan pet  owners receive and                                                               
deserve the best  care."  She found it troubling  to see bills of                                                               
this  nature.   Since  Alaska currently  has  high standards  the                                                               
implication is  that the standard  will be reduced.   She offered                                                               
her belief that  the bill would create  uncertainty for practices                                                               
from  year to  year as  practitioners  await the  actions of  the                                                               
board.   She urged members  not to  adopt HB 139.   Additionally,                                                               
she related  that she personally  has visited  the non-accredited                                                               
Caribbean Veterinary Schools and met  with their dean in last six                                                               
months.  They  do not have a Veterinary teaching  hospital and do                                                               
not provide any clinical training  until the students come to the                                                               
U.S.   She pointed  out that a  non-accredited university  is not                                                               
the same  as an accredited  U.S. university.  She  indicated that                                                               
the AVMA has decided to accept  the ECFVG and not to accept PAVE.                                                               
If at  some point the  AVMA accepts  PAVE then she  would suggest                                                               
Alaska should  reconsider this  issue.  Until  then she  does not                                                               
believe the two programs are equal.                                                                                             
[HB 139 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:42:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB155 Draft Proposed CS version I.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Fax Allen Wiggs 3-14-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Fax Zach Hernadez 3-14-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Fax John Malaby 3-14-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Supporting Documents - Email Kenneth Scotti 3-11-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Supporting Documents - Email Lance Roberts 3-17-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Supporting Documents - Email Paul Prusak 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Supporting Documents - Email Vince Meurlott 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB139 ver A.PDF HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Fiscal Note-CCED-CBPL-03-10-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-Board of Examiners web site.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-ECFVG Information page.PDF HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-Initiation Letter Jonathan Musman.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-Letter Jonathan Musman 3-1-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-PAVE Information page.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Catherine Hawn DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Alaska Veterinary Medical Assoc Resolution 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Chris Michette DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Chuck Muschany DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Diane Preziosi DVM 3-17-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email James Leach III DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Jamie Merrigan DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Jeff Johnson DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Jon Basler DVM 3-17-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Julie & Joseph Grohs DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Katy Versteeg DVM 3-17-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Kelly Reagan DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Lea McWilliams DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Lorelei Cuthbert DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Marian Frost DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Myra Wilson DVM 3-14-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Nelson Priddy II DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Ralph Broshes DVM 3-14-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Siri Kavanaugh DVM 3-15-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Opposing Documents-Email Susan Wagnon DVM 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB122 Supporting Documents - Letter Wellspring Chiropractic 3-17-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Opposing Documents - Letter Tanana Valley Clinic BOD 3-11-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB11 ver A.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Sectional Analysis.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Fiscal Note-DOA-HPA-03-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-American Cancer Society Comments 3-17-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Legislative Research Report 1-10-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter AARP Capitol City Task Force 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter AARP of Alaska 12-20-2010.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter Alaska Commission on Aging 12-18-2010.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter David Audet 2-1-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter Egon Butch Von Lolhoffel 2-8-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter Renae Raskovich 3-16-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB11 Supporting Documents-Letter Retired Public Employees of Alaska 1-2-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB 139 Supporting Documents-AAVSB email and questions-answers.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB 139 Supporting Documents-IVMA Email in Opposition to PAVE.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB 139 Supporting Documents-Board response letter to IVMA (2).pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB139 Supporting Documents-Dr Williams letter to the Idaho Board of Veterinary Medicine.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 139
HB122 Supporting Documents - Email Dennis Eames 3-18-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Supporting Documents - Email Dr Daniel Young 3-16-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Supporting Documents - Email Jeri Attwood 3-17-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Supporting Documents - Email Joan Tovsen 3-17-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB122 Supporting Documents - Email Pamela Kennedy 3-16-11.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 122
HB11 Supporting Documents - Buck Consultants 2007 report.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 11
HB155 - Supporting Documents - Letter Associated General Contractors - MacKinnon 3-18-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Email Dan Portwine 3-18-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Fax Tim ODonnell 3-18-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155 Opposing Documents - Letter Tim ODonnell 3-18-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155
HB155CS Fiscal Note-DOLWD-LSS-03-21-2011.pdf HL&C 3/18/2011 3:15:00 PM
HB 155